Thursday December 15, I shall be appearing in court for the first time in my life charged with causing gross offence after posting my song (((Survivors))) on YouTube. What makes this case special is the fact that I am not being prosecuted by the Crown; it is a private prosecution taken on by chairman of the wealthy Zionist ‘charity’, Campaign Against Antisemitism (CAA), Gideon Falter, who – in order to persuade the judge that publishing my song merits a heavy fine – will have to prove that my song is grossly offensive.
It is quite possible that the CPS is unaware of the case at this stage. As well, in order to prove my song grossly offensive, Falter will have to provide the court with an expert’s report. Falter himself, despite his close association with CAA, is not an expert. The summons reads as follows:
On or about 08/06/2016 at within jurisdiction of the Central Criminal Court caused to be sent by means of a public electronic network communications network, namely, a YouTube video under the title “(((Survivors)))”, that was grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character. Contrary to section 127(1)(b) and (3) of the Communications Act 2003.
At this point, I think it is important to stress that out of the three women who reported me to police for alleged harassment and inciting racial hatred, only one is Jewish. During my interrogation which lasted about an hour and half (I was detained in police custody for six hours in total, including more than two hours locked in a cell), the policeman didn’t even mention the Jewish woman, nor did he read her statement – no doubt supplied on the orders of ‘Amanda from Finchley‘.
Ironically, I was arrested by the same police force which, two years ago, had worded a cease and desist letter, sent by recorded-delivery and signed for by the very same ‘Amanda’, who – along with my other non-Jewish accuser – takes equal first prize in the 2016 Professional Victimisation Championships.
As for the Jewish woman, I have hardly interacted with her at all. Only once to offer her my phone number or a chat via Messenger, which she refused, preferring to troll me on a daily basis rather than have a face-to-face discussion between adults. Indeed, the poor victim is still actively doing everything she can to please her pay-mistress, despite my account being suspended from Twitter.
In scenes worthy of a farce, the pack of Zionists out for my blood is now split into two camps : there are those who want to demonstrate next week outside Westminster Magistrates Court and those who do not…
Months of hard graft?
Oh dear, oh dear…
As well, my critics will be no doubt be unhappy about an email of support from a Russian-French philosopher, Anatoly Livry – also of Jewish heritage. Dr. Livry has given me permission to reproduce his kind words on this blog, translated into English.
Dear Madame Chabloz,
I would like to send you a word of support: indeed, although being of Jewish origin I do not feel ‘assaulted’ by your songs in English, which I find both funny and witty.
On the other hand, as a philosopher, I feel that the ever-increasing ‘shoah hysteria’ is ignoble – a weapon used by my former Jewish co-religionists to annihilate the Indo-European peoples of the West.
With my cordial greetings,
Dr. Anatoly Livry
I agree wholeheartedly with Dr. Livry regards this ‘shoah hysteria’. After Charlie Hebdo, trying to remove my right to artistic freedom of expression is far more offensive that any satirical song.
If you are in London next Thursday, I would greatly appreciate your support. The hearing begins at 10am.
Much love to all. Xx
Sorry I cannot be there in the flesh, but will be there in The Spirit. You are in my prayers. These satanic demons will not win.
Thank you, dear Brother 🙂
Bonne chance! Freedom of expression on political, social and historical topics must be defended and protected from attacks. At present those attacks are almost always from Islamists and Jewish Zionists.
Reblogged this on Heathen Women.
Alison. Brother Charles sent me a link to this site. I have several civil cases running at the moment, and may be in a position to help or at least provide moral support as I was victimized by one of these vermin groups for four years. I also have a friend that was victimized by them for fourteen years, and we have learned quite a bit about there snide strategies. The leaders of both the groups – although totally unconnected killed themselves when they failed. (I think or have very good reason to believe that) what you are taking on is a thing called a Communitarian Network… Drop me a line at firstname.lastname@example.org Antony Holtz.
Welcome back, Alison,
don’t give up you’re on the right way!
Thanks Marko, and thanks for your support on Twitter – much appreciated.
Dear Alison, a woman like you deserves any support!
At least one Jew didn’t like this one:
Make sure you don’t married an Arab:
And even Jeremy Corbin won’t endorse this one:
Here is the e-mail address of someone who I know and I hope will be able to support you on the day – I know he lives in London: email@example.com
Here is his Youtube channel.
Have you been in touch with Jez Turner and the London Forum people?
Best for now.
Yes, Brother Charles. Everyone has been informed 🙂
I don’t know who invented the term ‘post-truth’, but I can imagine who benefits most from it: liars. Jewish journalist Ruth Marcus, apparently an authority on the subject, wrote a column on post-truth politics (Washington Post, December 2, 2016), as if lying were something new among politicians.
Like millions of children, I was raised to tell the truth and to despise lies and liars. Now, it turns out that liars are the most successful people on earth. If anyone is curious about how this extraordinary situation came to be, they should read ‘Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil’.
This book is my gift to humanity. The fact that a minute section of humanity rejects it is not surprising. The book exposes an ancient conspiracy to subjugate the planet by means of lies, primarily the lie that the supply of money is finite and must be borrowed at interest, while simultaneously being produced out of thin air. This has resulted in the entire world being forced into debt. This was the First Great Lie and these people have the exclusive right to it.
Lying for them is not so much an occasionally effective instrument as an ideology, a way of life. Pretty soon, supported by their media, they produced the Second Great Lie, which is just as preposterous as the first. If the Second Great Lie is not yet quite as universally believed as the first, it’s not for want of trying.
The drawback is that, eventually, these people’s very existence has come to depend on lies. Truth, therefore, is embarrassing to them. They must defend their lies by attacking it. They and their myriad minions fight to maintain these lies and a host of others by twisting the facts and the law until it can be used to suppress, to forbid and to punish freedom of expression, as though it were a crime commensurate with murder.
Ever since the birth of the Great Lies and before, there has existed a struggle between truth and lies. Will society lose its already precarious hold on reality by adopting a modish sophistry, or will it stick with plain unfashionable truth? Only you can decide which code you’re comfortable with.
It has all happened before:
“We can not state that all Jews are Bolsheviks. But: without Jews there would have been no Bolshevism. For a Jew nothing is more insulting than the truth. The blood maddened Jewish terrorists murdered sixty-six million in Russia from 1918 to 1957”
— Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
“In our country the lie has become not just a moral category, but a pillar of the state.”
— Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Thank you, Gerard.
Hi Alison. I don’t know you but I admire you and I’m half in love with you! Your spirit. Your courage! I discovered you in the comments section of this interesting US website (see below). You are an invigorating breath of fresh air–to say the very least! Bless you, dear! The truth shall not be denied.
-Mark Green, California
Thank you so much for this, Mark. Ironic that the original comment from ‘Robbersdog’ was posted on TakiMag. I worked briefly alongside Taki when I was editor of GstaadLife – admittedly not one of my proudest moments.
Los que a ustéd apoyan son más numerosos que sabe.
Si cae la libertad en Inglaterra, su propio territorio, somos todos nosotros perdidos.
Lucha bien y fuertemente.
Suerte, de las Americas.
Good luck and best wishes.
There is a [recently disbarred …..!]barrister called Ian R Millard, look him up, perhaps he can help with some advice?
From the wording of your summons it looks like most of the videos on the internet and TV fall foul of the Communications act.
Thank you, John. Ian also left a comment further up. Wonderful to have support from such good people. As for the Communications Act, I can’t see how it would apply to my song. It’s been misused already in the Peter Nunn case. Nunn should’ve appealed but I guess that requires deep pockets…
Alison, good luck.
You may want to show you lawyer this?
check out this book by a British author on the role of prominent English and American Christians in fostering the rise of Zionism: https://www.amazon.com/Allies-Armageddon-Rise-Christian-Zionism/dp/0300116985
I lived in Israel for many years before I converted to Christianity under South African missionaries.
After that i lost my job and apartment. This is typical.
When I returned to my birthland of the USA i discovered that Christian Zionists enable all the worst Israeli policies of atrocities and ethnic cleansing.
For many American Christians, Zionism gives them a vicarious thrill as they mourn the loss of Indians and black slaves they can victimize.
Zionists are like flies. They are attracted to the filth generated by corrupt Christian cultures.
I sent this email to some American Christian Conservatives:
I saw the book Abandonment Theology by John Chalfant that you so enthusiastically endorse. And I think this book makes a number of very serious errors in its analysis of American cultural history and values.
And while I sympathize with your desire to see a spiritual renaissance in America, I cannot support your tactics or general approach for the following reasons:
(1) Your book makes no mention of the high-jacking of our economic system through the unconstitutional Federal Reserve system whereby our treasury has been outsourced to a consortium of private banks who extract ruinous usury for printing our money supply. Some economists estimate that the entire annual increase in GNP is forfeited to pay these bankers interest and thus causes an increasingly accelerating impoverishment of our national economy. Increasingly Americans see the fruits of their labor extorted by this cruel consortium and a more and more desperate winner takes all casino / lottery mentality overshadows our society.
(2) Your book lauds the Christian values of the Founding Fathers, without any awareness of their deep Masonic ties. And while you profess strong Christian values you seemingly are unaware of the violent rebellious nature of America, that fought an unbiblical war against the English king G+D had appointed over us. Was King George really worse than Emperor Nero, to whom St Paul told us to submit? Were his taxes greater than the desperate tax burden facing Americans today? Was not the American Revolution simply an unprincipled power grab by envious and violent men? Do you even realize that John Wesley, called the Engish Saint and founder of America’s largest Protestant denomination, opposed the American Revolution as a sinful rebellion against G+D and recalled all his ministers from the colonies to England when war broke out?
(3) You also ignore the fact that the Constitution “enacted by G+D” deemed black slaves as less than men and deprived all but wealthy landowners of the right to vote. Do you know that America is the only English-speaking country in the world that had to resort to war to ban slavery, while all others were able to legislate it out of existence? This kind of selective parsing of our history severely undermines your credibility by exposing your pathetic lack of objectivity and your naked lauding of our founders regardless of their spiritual flaws! Consider also the absurdity that you venerate the King James bible yet champion the American colonists who deemed that very same King James as the incarnation of evil? Can anything better demonstrate the intellectual shallowness of your arguments?
(4) While you laud the American military, you seem unwilling to face the truth about 9/11 as a false flag attack. The most basic question is why we attacked Iraq when almost all the alleged hijackers were Saudi? You seem unable to recgnize the deep corruption of the military and political establishment that power has brought. You cannot recognize that America is no longer the agrarian Republic established in 1776 but is today a sprawling global empire and military enforcer of the New World Order. You are living in a nostalgic fantasy realm that not only is foolish but extremely dangerous as you no longer can serve as a voice of conscience to the American beast.
(5) You also denigrate Adolf Hitler who basically followed the same agenda of today’s American Christian Right, wishing to enhance his society’s blessings after it was plucked clean by international bankers and betrayed by the Jewish financiers at the end of World War I. (Please see the writings of Jewish convert to Catholicism Benjamin Freedman if you don’t want to believe this.) Hitler supported a strong military to oppose the menace of Communism, exactly as you exhort in your book for America today! Hitler also banned abortion for German women and enacted progressive public health measures such as discouraging people from smoking and providing generous vacation packages for German workers. He also totally revitalized the German economy.Your inability to perceive the similarities of Hitler’s policies to those that you advocate for America today, along with the other deficiencies I have mentioned above, makes your book seem like a childish exercise in American exceptionalism rather than an intelligent analysis of the real situation both present and past. And this is exactly why so many Americans are disgusted with the American Christian Right, whose arrogant self-righteousness and ignorant complacency seem to know no bounds.
PS Another problem with your purported repudiation of Hitler:
It strikes many people as odd that, given your fierce opposition to Communism, you also would denounce the one man who was totally focused on its threat and determined to stop it: Adolf Hitler! Did you know that without US and British support for Stalin, Hitler’s armies would have defeated the Soviet Union in 1942 and the war would have ended then? The worst atrocities of the Holocaust were perpetrated by the Germans when it became apparent to them that the Western allies were determined to support Stalin at all costs. So in a very real sense the global tragedy of World War II, that caused 60 million casualties and left Communist regimes entrenched in Russia, Eastern Europe and Asia, is due to the support for Stalin by the USA and Britain.
Have you ever asked yourselves why the US and UK sided with Stalin if Communism was such an evil menace as you claim in your writings? And while you are not responsible for the US policy to side with Stalin against Hitler, your repeated denunciations of Hitler imply that you would have supported this policy, in total contradiction to your claimed opposition to Communism!
This is the kind of question that makes secular people extremely distrustful of the American Christian Right. Their list of friends and enemies seems capricious and fickle and utterly lacking in intellectual integrity!
Another day, another sick, stupid self-publicizing Nazi bigot:( That said, being subjected to Chabloz’s voice for a few moments is so awful that as a gay, transgender, ‘non-Aryan’ music lover I would have killed myself long before the Nazis arrived to take me away! Don’t give up the day job, Alison. NEXT…!
It’s bewildering how so many people belonging to minority groups demanding tolerance of their minority status are so utterly intolerant of others’ views – to the point of making personal attacks. Shame.
It’s hard for most people to be tolerant of “others’ views” when those views seem to mock or minimize the suffering of others.
You may dispute the details of the Holocaust, and you may be right about many of those details, but you seem to overlook or ignore the fact that millions of Jews were forcibly incarcerated in slave labor camps in which their circumstances were difficult dangerous and demeaning.
Even if there were no homicidal gas chambers, that doesn’t reduce the injustice and barbarism these people were subjected to.
These Jewish prisoners were not even the villains that Hitler hated, the international Jewish financiers that he believed had destroyed the German economy. Those folks, the Rothschilds, Warburgs, Goldmans and Sachs, bought their way to freedom.
The Jews who fell victim to Hitler’s wrath were not from these monied elites but were largely middle class shopkeepers craftsmen doctors lawyers accountants scientists and professors. These people fell victim to the NAZI dragnet and suffered for the alleged crimes of their elitist brethren.
They also were caught up in the power struggle between the NAZIs and naZIONists again falling victim to forces they didn’t really understand.
At the very least you should be able to sympathize with the loss of liberty and livelihood these Jews had to endure in the concentration camps.
It seems to me measure for measure or a kind of karmic retribution that now you too have been deprived of your livelihood and you find your own life circumstances perilous, exactly as happened to the Jews you are mocking in your cruel songs.
So go ahead and mock Alison. You can be certain to suffer the very same fate of those whose suffering you demean, because Jesus taught us that in the measure we measure out to others so will it be measured back to us.
Sorrowfully for you,
You seem like a very intelligent and sensitive person, and so I would expect you to do far better than what you engaging in with these songs of mockery for the suffering of others.
Sorrowfully for You,
You sir, do NOT understand the reptile that is The Jew – The Serpent Seed from The Garden – The Synagogue of Satan:
“We are a chosen people. Most Jews do not like to admit it but our god is Lucifer and we Jews are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much alive.” –
– Harold W. Rosenthal
“There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”
— Nahum Goldmann
“I hardly exaggerate. Jewish life consists of two elements: Extracting money and protesting.”
— Nahum Goldmann
Good luck. Keep a clear head and if possible make detailed notes and videos.
ANTHONY, THANKS FOR TAKING THE TIME TO SHARE WITH ME THE INFORMATION YOU HAVE PROVIDED ON THE SUFFERING OF GERMANS BEFORE DURING AND AFTER WWII. I DENY NONE OF THESE THINGS. SEE BELOW.
HOWEVER I AM VERY DUBIOUS THAT THE JEWS STARTED WORLD WAR I. I ACCEPT BENJAMIN FREEDMAN’S CLAIM THAT THE JEWS ENGINEERED THE ENTRY OF THE USA INTO THE WAR CAUSING GERMANY TO LOSE, EXACTLY AS HITLER CLAIMED. I DON’T BELIEVE EVEN HITLER CLAIMED HOWEVER THAT THE JEWS STARTED THE WAR!
THE TRUTH IS THAT THEODORE HERZL AND OTHER ZIONISTS SOUGHT THE ASSISTANCE OF THE GERMANS TO PRESSURE THEIR OTTOMAN TURKISH ALLY TO CEDE PALESTINE TO THE JEWS. THE KAISER REFUSED TO ASSIST THEM, SO IT TOOK HITLER TO TAKE UP THE GAUNTLET EVEN IF IN A VERY MEAN SPIRITED AND UGLY WAY.
REGARDING THE OUTBREAK OF WWI, AS I WROTE BEFORE THE JEWISH BANKERS AND FINANCIERS PREY ON THE FILTH OF CORRUPTED CHRISTIAN SOCIETIES WHO ARE UNABLE TO EMULATE THE PEACEFUL LIVING OF THEIR SUPPOSED GOD JESUS.
WHERE THESE CORRUPT CHRISTIANS AGITATE FOR WAR THE JEWS ARE THERE TO EXTEND THEM MONEY WITH WHICH TO FINANCE THEIR WARS.
EVERYONE IS CORRUPT IN THIS SICKENING PROCESS. STOP PRETENDING THAT THE EUROPEAN CHRISTIANS ARE PURE AND UNTAINTED.
THEIR PERVERTED DREAMS OF CONQUEST COMPETITION AND CARNAGE ARE THE FILTH ATTRACTING THE JEWISH FINANCIAL FLIES.
YOU NEED TO GROW UP AND RECOGNIZE THE EVIL AND DEPRAVITY LURKING IN THE HEARTS OF ALL CULTURES.
AS FOR YOUR LIST OF SUFFERINGS EXPERIENCED BY THE GERMANS, I AM AWARE OF MOST OF THEM AND DO NOT DENY OR MINIMIZE THEM. INDEED I GET NO JOY FROM THIS AT ALL. IN FACT DURING HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL WEEK IN THE USA I GIVE OUT INFORMATION ABOUT THE 60 MILLION VICTIMS OF WWII AND TELL PEOPLE THE JEWS WERE JUST A TITHE. I ALSO TELL PEOPLE THAT THE GERMANS LOST 9 MILLION PEOPLE IN THE WAR, NEARLY 20% OF THEIR ENTIRE POPULATION.
I ALSO HAVE TAUGHT THAT WERE IT NOT FOR JEWISH SUPPORT FOR STALIN, THE WAR WOULD HAVE ENDED IN 1942 AND THE WORST ATROCITIES EXPERIENCED BY BOTH SIDES WOULD NEVER HAVE OCCURRED. DID YOU OVERLOOK THAT? I WILL FORWARD TO YOU AN EMAIL THAT STATES THIS.
I LOVE GERMAN CULTURE AND STUDIED GERMAN IN HIGH SCHOOL. IT IS A NOBLE AND GREAT NATION. HOWEVER, I BELIEVE THAT THE SUFFERINGS EXPERIENCED BY GERMANY IN WWII WERE MEASURE FOR MEASURE FOR YOUR POLICIES OF ROUNDING UP AND MASS INCARCERATING ALL THE JEWS OF EUROPE. THE CRIMINAL ELEMENTS YOU MENTION WERE A MINORITY OF THE ENTIRETY OF THE JEWISH PRESENCE IN EUROPE.
IN THE MEASURE YOU MEASURED OUT TO INNOCENT OTHERS, SO WAS IT MEASURED BACK TO YOU TO DESTROY INNOCENT GERMANS.
THINK ABOUT IT.
ONE THING IS FOR CERTAIN: HITLER ENABLED THE ZIONIST STATE OF ISRAEL MORE THAN ANY OTHER EUROPEAN LEADER. HIS POLICIES DOVETAILED PERFECTLY WITH THOSE OF THE ZIONISTS. I HAVE SUGGESTED THAT THE ISRAELI KENESSETH PLACE A STATUE OF HITLER INSIDE THE BUILDING OR IN THE PLAZA AT THE WESTERN WALL.
I ALSO BELIEVE HITLER WAS A HERO FOR CONFRONTING THE COMMUNISTS. HE WAS EMPOWERED BY THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY IN THE VISION OF FATIMA. THE SWASTIKA REPRESENTS THE SPINNING SUN SEEN BY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN PORTUGAL ON THAT DAY.
SO YOU DON’T REALLY UNDERSTAND ME AT ALL. I DEFY STEREOTYPE OR SIMPLE CHARACTERIZATION. AND IN A WORLD OF SIMPLE MINDED PEOPLE WHO LOVE SIMPLISTIC ANSWERS TO COMPLEX PROBLEMS, I AM A TRUE LONE VOICE.
SHALOM SALAAM PAX IRINI PACEM FRIEDEN PEACE
I wish you good luck.
Did you know, that your own government fabricated the holohoax? ( the Yanks of course did their part as well) You may know, that the Royal Army inherited 60000 people in Bergen-Belsen. I personally think that this is an inflated number, but does not matter. I think in the neighborhood of 30000. If someone fabricates a lie, they will just have to live with the lie.
According to Commandant Kremer, in Hitchcock’s master piece, there where 60000. Here is further evidence that there were 60000 on the day when the Brits toke over.
60000 are down with typhoid in Bergen-Belsen http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/76016091?searchTerm=belsen
So, there is no doubt about it.
We can safely assume, that there were no 10000 stiffs laying around as they claim. We know that hardly anyone survived Bergen-Belsen. The glorious Royal Army let most of them starve to death on hunger and Typhoid.
After all inmates were death the Royal army burned down the barracks with the corpses inside. After the fire consumed the building the Royal army just used a bulldozer to bury the remains of the barracks including the unburned corpse and the fences , all at the same time and buried the evidence of their crime into a mass grave. It is safe to assume that this all happened at the same Time, because one would not employ a bulldozer ones for the corpses and ones for the camp remains.
Any one that believes in the holohoax also believes, that the Germans nursed their victims , in a hospital with 18000 patients to good health, just to gas them after they recovered. The number is listed towards the end of this file on page 38.
I hope it works.
Hi Otto, you have finally specified a path to your hard drive!
I think you may mean this : https://ia800308.us.archive.org/21/items/KonzentrationslagerAuschwitzStandortUndKommandanturbefehle19401945Auszuege/Konzentrationslager_Auschwitz_Standort-_und_Kommandanturbefehle_1940-1945_Auszuege.pdf
If the UK court system can’t see that this case is harassment designed to silence critics of Jewish con-artistry, then it has lost its purpose and is no longer legitimate.
We need to list civil liberties groups who are contacted when people like Alison have their rights infringed and fail to help. It helps to educate ordinary people that such groups only exist to help people who are attacking the natives, they never help us.
Good luck, Alison.
Taken to court for factually correct statements… Very telling regarding the state of the legal system.
Nick Griffin of the BNP was actually told by a judge trying Griffin that the truth is no defence.
The same happened to Zuendel and Rudolf…
Brava, Alison. Thinking of you…
It is vexatious litigation Alison. it is an abuse of the legal system for political purposes, in order to censor and harass opponents. The video was not meant for jews, it was on a nationalist channel. If they sought it out they cannot then claim they are offended by what they found, it was not sent to jew, it was not directed at jews, it was freedom of expression, entertainment in a private meeting and on a nationalist media channel for a particular political group of which the complainants oppose.
“If they sought it out they cannot then claim they are offended by what they found….” This reminds me of a lady who congratulated Dr Samuel Johnson for not inluding profane words in his new lexicon. “How would you know, Madam, unless you were looking for them ?” was his reply.
How did your court appearance turn out? While I m no certain if you have a problem with Jews, or with the Zionists (and their oul-less Christurd mercenaries), and I find some of what you have sung to be offensive I stand behind your right o speak. And I wonder why you feel this way- have you been abused by either group?
In my opinion, this secular version of lashon hara prohibition and it’s accompanying, repulsive social and political restrictions is one of the greatest threats to our western cultures; it is the Israelification, and the circumcision of secular culture, and it infects all levels of law, and social policy.
I will re-post this piece, an thank you for standing strong against this other form of fanatical racist supremacy.
Reblogged this on The Privacy and First Amendment Beacon Shines On. and commented:
A British singer is under fire for her song (((Survivors))) which mocks what Professor Norman Finklestein calls the holohoax industry, and the current western trends of kowtowing to bankster billionaires and war capitalists a the expense of human rights, and even our own Constitution.
This artist is charged with “holocaust denial,” which was one of the precursors to the current threats to free speech in America and the world due to laws that secretly interpret our privac rights, and our right that come ONLY after privacy is protected: free speech, the rights of free association, h rights to due process have all been subjugated to the right of some to keep us silent as they rape, pillage and plunder abroad.
I wonder- are any of the posters here familiar with this social “phenomenon” called organized gang stalking, and online mobbing? It is highly correlated with situations described by Alison here.